INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Day 10 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday morning at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi.

Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail “Abby” Williams and 14-year-old Liberty “Libby” German. The girls’ bodies were found near the Monon High Bridge near Delphi on Feb. 14, 2017, a day after they went missing.

Allen was first investigated in 2017 and again in October 2022. After a second police interview, he was taken into custody.

The trial began Oct. 18 and was expected to continue through mid-November. Originally, 16 Allen County residents sat as the jury on the case, but one juror was dismissed on Oct. 25.

Day 10 of the Delphi Murders trial was set to begin at 9 a.m. Tuesday.

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NOTE: The times listed in the blog headers are the times which the entries were added. Specific times for courtroom events will be listed in the entries if available. These notes are compiled from photographs of written notes provided by reporters in courtroom and emailed to the WISH-TV news desk.

For a brief summary of Day 9 in the Delphi Murders trial (Monday), scroll to the bottom of the page.

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5:12 p.m.: Westville officers show daily logs ft. Allen’s murder confession (updated at 9:38 p.m.)

DISCLAIMER: This portion of the live blog contains brief mention of suicide.

The state’s next witnesses were Westville officers who observed Richard Allen while he was on suicide watch.

Ofc. Michael Clemons has worked at Westville Correctional Facility for four years, and monitored Allen and documented his actions in real time.

Clemons’ log from April 6, 2023, was displayed to the court. The following time stamps are quotes Clemons documented from Allen.

• 7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”
• 8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”
• 8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.”

Clemons mentioned a few other quotes from Allen, including “I am ready to confess,” “I don’t want to die,” and an unspecified moment where Allen was screaming nonsense.

Clemons told the jury that he was stationed to monitor Allen for several months for several hours each shift. He mentioned that Allen’s behavior changed in “random ways.”

Defense’s Brad Rozzi asked Clemons if Allen said how he killed Abby and Libby. Clemons said no.

Rozzi said that Allen’s statement at 8:03 a.m. was his response “to other inmates watching him.” Rozzi added that other inmates would call Allen “baby killer.”

Clemons then said he was not there when Allen was tased, and didn’t see or hear that Allen was smearing or eating feces. He also didn’t believe Allen was acting crazy, saying his shift in behavior was like a switch flip.

Rozzi asked Clemons about mental health codes, to which Clemons said if he knew Allen had a code, that might have changed his mind.

The jury asked Clemmons if he documented when Allen shouted at other inmates. He replied, “It’s possible.”

Another prison employee, named Ofc. Smith in pool notes shared with WISH-TV, testified about Allen’s day on April 10, 2023. The jury was shown an exhibit featuring Allen’s daily log for that day.

Before 4 a.m., Smith documented Allen repeatedly saying his wife’s name, Kathy, and “running into the door.” Below are timestamps featuring other events from the log.

• 2:50 a.m.: Allen repeatedly saying expletives while singing “God Bless America.”
• 3:35 a.m.: “My name is Richard Matthew Allen of the National Guard, singing ‘God Bless America.’”
• 3:52 a.m.: Allen was “running into the door and bracing for impact.”

Other events noted when Allen began stuffing papers into the toilet, later saying, “Chris is my best friend.”

Smith also said on April 22, Allen talked about suicide.

“I killed those girls, so I have to kill myself,” Allen was documented saying.

Ofc. Michael Roberts testified, as well. He has worked at Westville for eight years, and in court discussed multiple companion logs and confessions documented from Allen in April 2023.

• April 7, 1:45 p.m.: “I want to confess, I know a lot.”
• April 13, 8:15 a.m.: “What more do I got to do?” (Allen was reported to be rolling on the ground when he said this.)
• April 23, 2 p.m.: “I killed Abby and Libby. My wife wasn’t involved. I would like to confess.”
• April 26, 5:06 a.m.: “Can I talk? Can you listen? How do I prove that I’m insane?”
• April 26, 3:30 p.m.: “Why are you doing this? Do you know God?”
• April 26, 3:30 p.m.: “I’ll take some KFC – my grandpa molested me.”

According to pool notes shared with WISH-TV, other statements said to the jury included:

• “Am I already dead?”
• “How do I prove that I’m sane?”
• “How can I go home? Am I in jail?”
• “I’m not racist.”
• “Please help me. Please God help me.”

Brandon Fisher also worked at Westville and monitored Allen. He was observing Allen on April 20, 2023.

Fisher told the jury around 6 p.m. that day, Allen woke up, came to his door, and asked for his Bible. Shortly after this, Allen reportedly thanked Fisher for watching him.

At 6:15 p.m., Allen told Fisher he wanted to talk to the prison warden, John Galipeau, and confess that he is guilty. Allen then requested a shower and his Bible. Fisher also mentioned Allen had been drinking water out of the toilet.

News 8’s Kyla Russell said court adjourned Tuesday around 6:45 p.m. Day 11 is set to begin at 9 a.m. Wednesday.

Mental health resources

• Be Well Indiana
• Indiana Suicide Prevention
• Indiana Department of Child Services’ Children’s Mental Health Initiative
• National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: 988 or 800-273-8255
• More resources

5 p.m.: Westville employee testifies

After former Westville prison warden John Galipeau left the witness stand, state prosecutor Nick McLeland called Ethan Drang. He worked at Westville for 2.5 years and watched Richard Allen while he was on suicide watch.

Part of Drang’s requirements were to document Allen’s daily events every 15 minutes. The state’s next exhibit showed the suicide watch companion report from April 5, 2023. Drang said the log was made in real time, starting from 6 a.m.

At 8:46 a.m., Allen reportedly said, “I think coming to prison has cured my depression and anxiety. Do you want my Bible?”

Later, Drang said Allen slipped an interview request under the door.

Drang said he had no training on when “someone is faking a mental health condition.” Drang continued describing Allen’s day on April 5. At 7:25 a.m., Allen was “crying and screaming.” He later told the jury that Allen was upset anytime he had to return to his cell.

The jury chimed in for questions, asking what was inside the yellow envelope from April 5, 2023, which Drang said was the interview request. News 8’s Kyla Russell mentioned that there is a huge discrepancy on when the interview request came in. There was a note on the yellow envelope from Warden Galipeau, saying “Received March 5, 2023,” though Drang did not receive the note until April 5.

4:05 p.m.: Richard Allen’s time at Westville Correctional Unit

Court returned from lunch at 1:45 p.m., starting with testimony from state witness John Galipeau, the former warden at the Westville Correctional Unit. Richard Allen was imprisoned at Westville following his arrest until December 2023.

Galipeau said Allen lived in Apod A1, which included four cells for inmates on suicide watch. He described the cell as a 12 foot by 8 foot cell, same size as the other cells in the unit. The cell included a bed bolted to the ground, a toilet, three sets of clothes, and two tablets to download apps, make calls, listen to music, etc. He also said each suicide watch cell has a camera on the ceiling and the lights were on 24 hours a day. Inmates on suicide watch were seen by medical daily, had recreational time five times a week, and showered three times a week like other inmates. Galipeau added that Allen saw his family twice while at Westville, being the only inmate granted that privilege.

Galipeau said Allen was first watched by other inmates before correctional officers. News 8’s Kyla Russell reports this shift only happened after he received legal mail on April 3, 2023. Galipeau added that Allen used the toilet in the cell, but also used the toilet water to wash his face.

The state then showed the jury Exhibit #292: Richard Allen’s request for an interview. It read, “I am ready to officially confess to killing Abby and Libby. I hope I get the chance to apologize to their families.”

Galipeau described the several times Allen admitted and apologized to him about the murders. Allen also told him that he threw out the box cutter used to kill the girls in a CVS dumpster. It wasn’t clear if this was the CVS Allen was employed at. Despite the confession, Galipeau said Allen’s treatment did not change.

Allen’s attorney Brad Rozzi began his cross-examination. Rozzi asked about the safekeeping order, saying the Department of Corrections took Allen into custody while the case was pending.

Rozzi then described the layout of Westville, presenting a map of the facility. It is a medium security state prison with 3,000 inmates. It has a maximum security unit within it, where Allen was housed. Rozzi described the max security part as a “prison within a prison.” Westville is one of the three most secure prisons in Indiana.

Westville’s full name is Westville Correctional Unit, but Rozzi called it “The Hole.”

He also mentioned that when inmates are on suicide watch, they’re in the special cells on average a few days to a week.

Allen was under suicide watch for 13 months. Rozzi said he was not aware of a “pretrial detainee (being) held that long in the suicide cell in the state.”

Russell reported that Galipeau described Allen’s cell and his time at Westville like so:

• Allen came to the prison on suicide watch.
• Bed “barely” off the ground.
• One narrow window that was broken but later fixed.
• Steel toilet and steel door to a concrete cell.
• Allen could not interact with general population.
• Food received through small slit in door.
• There was no table or desk to sit and eat.
• No chair in room.
• Allen had a tablet that was broken, but later replaced.
• Monitored while showered, had to wear a smock while bathing.
• Did not get to leave cell on Tuesdays.

Galipeau then explained Allen’s visits with family. The visits happened at a different facility than Westville. He wore hand restraints with a box over his hands and wore leg irons.

Rozzi referred to his restraints as a “dog leash.”

Allen was not allowed food or drink during the visits, though general population inmates are allowed these things.

Rozzi told the court that the attorneys weren’t allowed to check their phones while with Allen. Their phone calls with him also weren’t recorded, but they had a camcorder to tape their visits with him.Prison officials used force twice on Allen after he had visits with attorneys. Russell reported that Allen was tased.

Rozzi said that Allen’s companions in the suicide cells were “incentivized to tell on him.” The companions also weren’t allowed to speak to Allen or repeat anything Allen said, but told people outside. Rozzi adds that the prison guards do not have any formal mental health training.

Galipeau continued testifying, saying he did not document any of Allen’s verbal confessions he made to him. He also said he never talked to the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office about Allen and did not follow up on why he was moved out of Westville.

“I did not neglect my duties,” Galipeau said.

State prosecutor Nick McLeland jumped in to say he had Allen on suicide watch as an order from his psychologist. Rozzi asked one final question about the camcorders during the visits, which Galipeau said was because the room didn’t have any cameras.

Galipeau left the stand at 2:49 p.m.

1:07 p.m.

Court returns from recess at 11:05 a.m.

The jury is shown a video of an interview from Oct. 26, 2022.

In the video, Holeman is interviewing Allen. He tells Allen what they took from the house and what is being tested. he tells Allen they took swabs from a lot of the items, according to News 8’s Kyla Russell.

Holeman asks Allen if he has ever loaned any of his items — like the gun — out to anyone where DNA could have been transferred.

He also asks Allen if he had the gun on him when he went to the trails on Feb. 13, 2017. Allen said he did not.

In the video, Holeman tells Allen that the SIG Sauer matched the cartridge from the crime scene.

Allen laughs in apparent disbelief and says he doesn’t need to read the ballistics report.

“There’s no way,” he tells Holeman in the video.

“I’m on your side,” Holemand says to Allen.

Holeman asks Allen about saying “it’s over” during the search.

“The damage is done,” Allen replies.

Holeman then tells Allen the media will portray him “in a certain way” and asks, “Are you the mastermind?”

Allen responds, “Mastermind? OK…”

He asks Holeman if he realizes what he’s going through, telling him he has “anxiety” and “all kinds of stress.”

Allen adds, “There is no way a round from my gun was anywhere near those girls or the bridge.”

He continues: “Go ahead and do what you’re gonna do. Anybody who knows me…knows I could never, even if I wanted to, that’s not me.”

Holeman tells Allen the science doesn’t lie and that the death penalty is on the line. Allen says he doesn’t care

In the video, Holeman tells Allen he was the last one to contact the girls. Allen denies the claim, saying he “didn’t even know them,” according to Russell.

“Go ahead and kill me, you’ll make my wife rich,” Allen says.

At this point in the video, Holeman leaves the room. Allen remains seated and looks around.

News 8’s Kyla Russell says crime scene photos were on the table but Allen did not look at them after Holeman left the room.

Holeman comes back with a man who swabs Allen’s mouth and lips for DNA. Allen did not object to being swabbed, Russell says.

The man taking the DNA sample leaves the room.

“Ball is in your court,” Holeman tells Allen when they’re alone.

Holeman says they have more evidence from the bullet. He says Allen is “Bridge Guy” and there are five witnesses saying he was there. Ed. Note: As he noted in Saturday’s testimony, Holeman is lying here.

• Allen: I’m not telling you I did something I didn’t f—–g do. There’s nothing you have to implicate me because I wasn’t out there.
• Holeman: Your conscience is trying to tell you to get out in front of this.
• Allen: If you’re going to arrest me, arrest me. I’m done talking. Nothing you have is going to show me anywhere near the murder of the little girls.

Holeman leaves the room. He returns and tells Allen that witnesses saw him with a gun on Feb. 13, 2017.

“I told you I was on the trail. I didn’t tell you I was at a murder scene,” Allen responds. “I’m not going to tell you something that didn’t happen so you can feel better about this.”

In the video, Allen says his wife will tell police he would “never do this.”

In the courtroom, Allen’s wife Kathy nods her head, according to News 8’s Kyla Russell.

“The very day they (police) asked for people to come forward (about being there), I did,” Allen tells Holeman in the interview video.

Allen continues to say that Holeman is trying to trick him.

Holeman again leaves the room. Allen appears emotional and shakes his head.

When he returns to the room, Holeman says Allen’s depression has “gotten worse” since the murders.

“If I murdered two girls, I’d have depression too,” Holeman tells him.

“I did not murder two little girls,” Allen replies.

Holeman asks Allen about his gun. Allen replies and says he carries his gun only when he goes night fishing or mushroom hunting.

At this point, Holeman — who has returned to the witness stand — tells the court he isn’t lying to Allen, but that he told him several lies “as a tactic.”

In the video, Holeman says, “I can’t present this evidence to a jury of your peers” before leaving again.

Holeman returns a short time later, tells Allen his wife, Kathy, wants to talk to him, and goes to get her.

“What kind of good person kills two people?” Allen asks.

Russell says that, at this point in the interview, Allen had not been read his rights. On Saturday, Holeman testified that the reading of Miranda rights was “not recorded.”

In the video, Kathy Allen enters the room and hugs her husband.

“It’s going to be all right,” Allen tells his wife.

He tells her that he “can’t believe” she thinks he committed the murders.

“You know me. You know this isn’t something I could do,” Allen says. “I’m not going to sit here and convince you. I know you know I didn’t do this.”

Kathy Allen asks her husband how the bullet from his gun ended up at the crime scene, adding, “They are going to come after you and I don’t know how to answer that.”

Richard Allen tries to comfort his wife, telling her that “nobody is in trouble” and that he loves her.

“They aren’t going to get away with this,” Allen says.

At this point, Richard Allen looked back at his wife in the courtroom and winked, according to Russell.

Kathy Allen says again in the video that she can’t understand where the bullet came from.

Richard Allen tells his wife to say she wants an attorney and then they will let him leave.

The video cuts to Holeman back in the interview room with Richard and Kathy Allen.

Richard Allen asks Holeman to let Kathy leave and the two hug as she prepares to leave.

Holeman tells Kathy to tell her husband to “do the right thing,” as she leaves the room.

Holeman exits the room and returns a short time later.

“You’re gonna pay for what you’re doing with my wife,” Allen tells him.

In the video, Holeman screams at Allen.

“Arrest me,” Allen tells Holeman.

“Happy to. You’re f—-g guilty and I’m gonna prove it,” Holeman retorts.

The video ends just after 12:45 p.m.

Court is adjourned at 12:50 for a break. They were expected to reconvene at 1:45 p.m.

10:57 a.m.

Court began at 9:02 a.m. News 8’s Kyla Russell reports Allen is wearing a light purple button-down shirt with khaki pants. She reports he seems to have lost even more weight.

The state enters into evidence two video interviews with Allen, from October 13 and 26, 2022. Judge Gull tells the jury that parts are redacted, as they do not pertain to the investigation.

The judge allows both videos, one with Mullin and Liggett and the other with Holeman.

At 9:14, the jury enters the courtroom and the video is on the screen. Judge Gull says the jury was able to have supervised use of their phones last night and were able to look at work emails.

The state plays the October 13 video first. Mullin and Liggett explain in the video why they are talking to Allen, they read him his rights and tell him he can leave at any time. Allen says he understands.

In the video, Mullin reads to Allen what they had learned from Dulin’s interview with Allen in February 2017.

The three men joke about their ages, Allen says “I’m in the 50 club this year.” Allen give his phone number to Mullins and tells him he has an Android phone, Allen gives his email address. Mullin asks Allen if he uses Facebook and Allen says “my wife does, I don’t.”

Allen says in the video that he is married, has a daughter who was born in 1994. He says his daughter is also married, her husband used to live in the Philippines and Canada. They got married in 2017.

Allen says he graduated high school in 1991 and studied accounting at Ivy Tech before joining the military. He says he played football in high school for a year and was not an honors student.

Allen says he was in the National Guard and that he lived in Mexico, Indiana most of his life. He says he does not consistently go to church and has no criminal record.

Allen says he had a heart attack in 2010, at the age of 37. He says on the video that he suffers from depression and anxiety.

Allen tells investigators in the video that he worked at CVS since 2013 and previously worked at the location in Peru. He says he worked for Walmart for 10 years before that and left because he was tired of bureaucracy.

Mullin brings up February 2017. Allen says he was at his mom’s in Peru while his wife was working and left there at 11:15 a.m. He said he went home and got a jacket, even though it was warm out.

Allen said he walked down to the high bridge, went out a little bit on a platform and watched the fish. Allen says then he left. He says he parked either on the bridge side or near a smaller bridge. Liggett shows him a map of the area, Mullin explains where things are on the map.

Allen says he didn’t go out “all that often,” but that it varied and that he had “gone out a time or two” in the winter months.

Mullin asked Allen if there were any other way he would have driven to get there, Allen says maybe but really they always took the same route through downtown.

Allen says he was driving downtown a few days after the girls died when the DNR officer called and they agreed to meet at Save A Lot. Allen said he “thought about it a lot,” because he was probably there “around them.”

Allen says he told Dulin he saw three girls, he thought one was babysitting two of the girls and he thought they all looked alike.

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports at this point in the courtroom, Richard Allen is shaking his head.

In the video, Allen said there were two cars at the end of the trail near the entrance, a “sedan and an SUV.” Allen says he left around 1-1:30-1:45.

Allen says in the video that he worked a Walmart community event near the trails years ago and also worked near the Carrollton bridge on that community service day.

Allen says there were no vehicles where he parked on February 13, 2017. Mullin how far out on the bridge he went that day. He said he wasn’t sure how many feet it was, but really never went past that first pattern.

Liggett asked how and where he walked to get on the bridge. Allen doesn’t give a clear answer. Allen explains he had a red ford car before he got the “black car.”

Mullin again asks about him seeing three girls, Allen says he did not see anyone else while on the trails and he was walking towards the girls. “I don’t really remember seeing anyone that day. If I did, they didn’t stand out to me.”

Allen says in the video that he had an individual stock trading account, and was “trying to get rich.” In the video Allen laughs.

Allen says in the video “that was a hobby, I guess, for me,” referring to the question about stocks.

Mullin asks what he was wearing that day. Allen said he was wearing blue jeans and a back off-brand Carhartt jacket.

Liggett asked in the video if he was wearing a hat, Allen said that if he was it would have been the skull cap he kept in his jacket pockets. Allen says he was wearing either tennis shoes or combat boots or work boots. Mullin is seen texting during the interview.

Mullin asks Allen about what phone he had in 2017. Allen says he doesn’t know but he’s had his current phone for several years.

Liggett asked if Allen has a photo of his car and if they can confirm some of this information by searching his home and extracting data from his current phone. They ask if they can do that immediately.

Allen asks “how long are you going to have my phone?” Liggett asks what service provider he has and Allen says he uses “Ting,” based off Verizon.

Liggett asks what service provider he had in 2017. Allen says they can extract that information from his current phone.

Mullin reads another round of Miranda rights as it pertains to cell phone extraction.

Allen says in the video “I don’t want to be someone else’s fall-guy, I thought we were talking.” “I haven’t thought about this in a long time, I don’t want you guys to get someone from the public so we can close this thing.”

Allen says “starting to feel like you think I am the main lead here.” Liggett says “we decided to pick through this from the very beginning, there’s no fall-guy.”

“If you think I might have actually done this, and you want to get a warrant or something, that’s fine,” Allen said.

Allen agrees to let them look through his current phone and says he will look for the phone he had in 2017. Allen decides not to sign anything until he speaks to his wife.

Allen says in the video “Am I am angel of a person? No, but I guess I just don’t want you looking through every website I ever checked.” He says he’s worried they will “find pieces close to fitting and make it fit.”

“I don’t think you’re coming after me,” Allen says. “I want closure for the family as much as anyone else.

New 8’s Kyla Russell reports that Kathy Allen is “pretty upset watching this.”

Allen says in the video that he would not want people going through their home. “We’re here because we haven’t found the guy who did this, I don’t want to become that guy.”

Allen says “there’s nothing to tie me, I’m not worried. I had nothing to do with it. If I had anything useful to you, I would give you anything I had.”

Mullin explains in the video why they want to look at his car.

Allen talks about watching “Dateline” every week with his wife and “doesn’t want to be that story.”

Allen says to the investigators “This is out of left field guys, I am going to talk to my wife before I do anything. This impacts her more than it impacts me.”

Mullin and Liggett step out of the room, Allen checks his phone. They return and show him photos of his car going to the trail. Mullin says “we’ve been able to talk to your wife and daughter.” Mullins says his wife and daughter describe Allens mental health issues. Mullin shows Allen a picture of bridge guy. Mullin asks “is this you?” Allen says “I was going to shoot myself one night, I don’t have psychological issues because I went out and killed two girls.”

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports Allen’s wife Kathy is crying and sobbing in the courtroom as this portion of the video plays.

Mullin asks in the video “why is this information showing us one thing, but you’re saying another.” Allen says if feels like he’s being interrogated. “What info do you have,” he asks. “You have that I was out there, I told you that.”

After a cut in the video, Ligget says “we have people that saw you.” Liggett then leaves the room. Allen says “you’re trying to change my words around.” Mullin asks “the question is, is this you?” Allen replies “NO!”

Mullin says in the video “you were out there to do this to the girls, or you were trying to introduce them to someone. Allen continues to deny.

Allen says “arrest me or take me home, I’m done, you’re not going to find anything that connects me to the murders. you’ve lost my trust, now you’ve pissed me off, you’re an (expletive).

In the video, Allen gets up and leaves. News 8’s Kyla Russel says at this point in the courtroom, there is laughter.

Court is in recess at 9:55 a.m.

9 A.M.: Court begins for Tuesday session

The first court session of the day is expected to begin at 9 a.m. The court adjourned at 5 p.m. Monday.

News 8’s Kyla Russell is back in Delphi for continuing coverage of the double murder trial of Richard Allen.

Follow Kyla on X for photos, recaps, and more from Delphi.

8 a.m.: Line waits outside courthouse doors

The line to get in to the Carroll County Courthouse on Day 10 of the Delphi Murders trial started forming at 5:30 Monday night, says News 8’s Kyla Russell. The number of people allowed inside the courtroom each day is limited, so the line starts forming as soon as the previous day’s session is adjourned.

Brief summary of Day 9 in the Delphi Murders trial

Monday began with testimony Stacy Bozinovski, a forensic scientist for the Indiana State Police who tested the DNA found at the scene where Abby Williams and Libby German died in February 2017.

Bozinovski walked the jury through the DNA collection process, the steps involved in testing DNA, and the many DNA swabs she collected from the scene near the Monon High Bridge in Delphi.

Bozinovski testified that she found no DNA evidence that linked suspect Richard Allen to the crime scene.

She also told the jury that there was no DNA indicating that the girls had been sexually assaulted.

Bozinovski said recent testing showed the hair found in Abby’s hand was that of Libby’s sister, Kelsi German Siebert. Hair samples were also sent to the FBI for testing, and they said three hairs were found that did not match Abby or Libby’s DNA profiles.

Branches found on the girls’ bodies were also tested and two of them matched Libby’s DNA profile.

Bozinovski told the jury she tested Abby’s black hoodie for male DNA. She said the test was positive, but the DNA belonged to a male lab employee.

She also told the jury the cartridge found in between the two girls at the murder scene could not be tested because there was not enough DNA on it.

Bozinovski said she also tested the items found at Richard Allen’s home in 2022 and none of it pointed to Abby and Libby, according to News 8’s Kyla Russell.

The prosecution asked Bozinovski, “Did you find the DNA of Richard Allen on the DNA samples submitted to you?”

The forensic expert said no, adding that she “did not even create a male profile for any of the DNA.”

Maj. Pat Cicero was the next person to testify. Cicero is a LaPorte County sheriff’s major with previous experience as a crime scene investigator.

Cicero testified that he was called to work on the case in February and didn’t visit the crime scene until April 4.

He told the jury that he believes, based on the direction of blood found at the crime scene, that Libby was killed in one area of the crime scene and then dragged to a different spot.

Cicero said he did not believe Abby Williams was moved after injury. Williams did not have blood on her hands, which Cicero said could have been due to her possibly being restrained or unconscious.

Court adjourned for the day at 5 p.m.